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Software => HFS ~ HTTP File Server => Topic started by: Krokette Germany on September 22, 2003, 11:16:09 AM

Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Krokette Germany on September 22, 2003, 11:16:09 AM
Rear one

Property yesterday your program discovered and must say
absolutely strongly. Property then over it one night slept and must
say an important point is missing. It is not possible, if I a listing
with pictures have from these equal Thumbnails to provide and those
more clientcomputer to convey.

In the next step it would be to be integrated perhaps helpfully an
automated packman. Present to me in such a way ungefair. Select
pictures in the overview. Mark. And somewhere luggage a Button
install. Then the whole server-laterally pack and downloaden.

Apology for my bad English. This text translated of a translation

http://translator.abacho.de/translate.phtml
Title: Don't understand
Post by: Tim on September 22, 2003, 02:29:09 PM
I thought Germans could speak English... 8O

I don't really understand what you are trying to say  :eek:

If you need, you may e-mail me your text in German and I'll try to make a summary of the suggestions you have in English and post it here.

Not that my German or English is so excellent, but I'm willing to give it a try :roll:
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 22, 2003, 11:06:18 PM
sorry Krokette, but automated translations are always bad, and i can't understand the meaning of your message.

i think you asked something about a thumbnails system.

it would be better if Tim translates your german text for you.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2003, 10:01:50 AM
Ok dann werd ich eben den deutschen Text hier posten.

1. Gibt es eine möglichkeit wenn ich ein Verzeichnis mit Bildern habe z. B. Jpeg Files diese Serverseitig Thumbnails erstellen zu lassen?

2. Ein auswahlmenü zu erstellen wo clientseitig eine auswahl getroffen werden kann. Die Bilder wo man haben möchte markiert werden können. Und dann Serverseitig zu packen. Und denn Download dann automatisch beginnen zu lassen.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: paddy-england on September 23, 2003, 06:43:57 PM
from what i gather the german wants to know if you can get his picture files to load as thumbnails rather than file names in the foler lists.

the rest just seems to be saying that he likes the rest of the program.

im also new to the program and realy like it, the only thing i would like to possibly see added is the ability to upload files to the server remotly.

i would like this as i am using it to access my files from college and they block FTP, but you metioned in another post that you were working on it, good luck with that
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 25, 2003, 01:07:58 AM
thumbnails system: i'm not sure, i will think about it

upload: will be there, in version 2
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: UnGod on September 25, 2003, 05:46:19 PM
2. He requested a possibility to mark the files - with a check box or something - and then download the marked files with one button click. ;)

I also wanted to ask the first question of him, means the thumbnail creation for Pictures.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 26, 2003, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: "UnGod"
2. He requested a possibility to mark the files - with a check box or something - and then download the marked files with one button click. ;)

i'm not sure this is possible.
what browser are you using?
doesn't it ask you for every file it is downloaded, yes/no, where to save it, etc etc?
so, is it an automation or just a useless feature ?
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Tim on September 27, 2003, 12:57:26 PM
What he means is when you have a folder with images in, then you can open en save one image at a time, and what he asks is a system where you have checkboxes before each filename and then can click a Download button and then all the files where the checkbox is checked are downloaded in one time.

But to me it seems better and easyer to just put all your pictures in a zip archive to let the user download it. FilZip http://www.filzip.com is a free zip program I translated into Dutch :lol:
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 27, 2003, 02:09:05 PM
yes, i got what he said, but i don't get how to do it.
the browser will always stop downloading and show you a dialog for every file. what you would save is the click on the URL, but you will always have to say "yes" to all files in your browser download dialog.

the only way i see is the ZIP solution, that is someway in the to-do list (but i'm not sure it will ever come).
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Rafi on September 27, 2003, 05:03:34 PM
Quote from: "rejetto"
yes, i got what he said, but i don't get how to do it...

The idea to be able to download several selected files (or at least a single whole directory) is a good and useful idea. I too have no quick solution in mind, but here are some thoughts:

1. when one uses ftp:// in IE - it turns into explorer-like interface and you have a "copy to folder" menu option for selected files. so if you'll  support ftp protocol it will do it for you (bad idea, ahh ? ..., out of the HFS scope ? )

2. I have getright (older version) , I used the "open with getright browser" and in thier file browser you can select several files... It works, BUT - you have to fix bugs in viewing the HFS tree in getright browser (!!!)

3.  you may be able to add your own "download with HFS " menu item in the right clicked IE menu but this involves a special installation by HFS, and maybe - your own browser (too complex... ?)

4. May be add a small Java script that will activate multiple "save as" for the user. He will "select" files/directories and pres a special global button. (or maybe at first put a "save all"  button near every directory name. Not very elegant though... )

That's all I can think of ... at least - #2 works, so maybe it is the simplest way for now.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 27, 2003, 05:39:51 PM
1. to implement an FTP server is not so quick to do, maybe in the future

2. i will take a look at getright browser

3. HFS does not download anything, what the "download with HFS" command should do?

4. the problem is not to select, the problem is to download one-by-one without human intervention
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Rafi on September 27, 2003, 06:17:20 PM
Quote from: "rejetto"
3. HFS does not download anything, what the "download with HFS" command should do?

It was just a though... Maybe somthing similar to "download with GetRight" or IE-ftp's - "copy to folder" .
Opens ONE dialog for the user to point to a local destination dirctory, and then sends it to your own (new...) downloader ...

Quote from: "rejetto"
4. the problem is not to select, the problem is to download one-by-one without human intervention

Same as 3 -
Opens ONE dialog for the user to point to a local destination dirctory, and then, somhow, do multilple-recursive "Save As" or,  optionally, send to GetRight with the info the user entered...   8O
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 27, 2003, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: "Rafi"
It was just a though... Maybe somthing similar to "download with GetRight" or IE-ftp's - "copy to folder" .
Opens ONE dialog for the user to point to a local destination dirctory, and then sends it to your own (new...) downloader ...

THAT is a downloader
and in facts a downloader can do it, if it is programmed to do it
the problem is to make IE do it, because it is not programmed to do it

HFS is the server, and can't do nothing about it, because it is not on the client computer. the only software it could make you run is javascript, but i don't know how to do something like that in javascript. i fear javascript can't save files on disc, because it would be harmful.

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Same as 3 -
Opens ONE dialog for the user to point to a local destination dirctory, and then, somhow, do multilple-recursive "Save As" or,  optionally, send to GetRight with the info the user entered...   8O
i don't see how i could do that
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on September 27, 2003, 09:54:00 PM
Quote from: "Rafi"
2. I have getright (older version) , I used the "open with getright browser" and in thier file browser you can select several files... It works, BUT - you have to fix bugs in viewing the HFS tree in getright browser (!!!)

i tested right now with getright 5, and all seems to be ok.
if you have problems anyway, let me know.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Rafi on September 28, 2003, 04:05:53 AM
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i tested right now with getright 5, and all seems to be ok.
if you have problems anyway, let me know.
I have V 4.5d. I'll try to upgrade ...
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Krokette (Germany) on October 05, 2003, 05:17:57 PM
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4. the problem is not to select, the problem is to download one-by-one without human intervention

Ich denke nicht das das ein großes Problem Darstellt. Ich würde es so lösen.

1. Feststellen wo eine Pack Software Installiert ist.

2. Die Filenames der markierten Bilder zuerst mal in eine Textdatei speichern.
   
3. Programmintern die File laden und in ein String ausgeben.

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Filename:='c:\bilder.ini';
AssignFile(F,Filename);
FileMode := 0;
Reset (F);
Read (F,Lese);
commandline.caption:=commandline.caption & Lese & ' ';
CloseFile(F);    

Das ganze solang wiederholen bis (End Of File) EOF. Den gelesen String (In diesem Fall) immer eine Bild. Einfach mit dem operator '&' an die CommandLine anhängen.


Dos Command Line ('cmd.exe a OutputFile') & commandline.caption

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a = Befehl für Packen
OutputFile = Ausgabe
commandline.caption = Müßte eigentlich markierten Bilder mit einem Lehrschritt enthalten

4. Die Parameter für Die Dos Anwendung sehen wie folgt aus.
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RAR <Befehl> -<Schalter 1> -<Schalter N> <Archiv> <Dateien...>
                  <@Dateiliste...> <Zielverzeichnis\>

Die genauen Befehle kriegst Du über
rar /?

5. Die Commandzeile könnte so aussehen.

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rar a bilder.rar dsc0001.jpg dsc0002.jpg dsc0003.jpg dsc0004.jpg c:\home_dir_hfs\
[/quote]

Use Contact ICQ UIN 59972293
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2003, 11:59:06 PM
Hi,
I came across this small free tool which I thought might be useful to those who wish to display thumbnails in HFS at this time.  It will generate a HTML file of thumbnails of all images in a directory. Not real elegant without some extra editing, but it does the job.

http://www.theabsolute.net/sware/index.html#listpics
Title: Thumbnails in HFS 2.0 B7
Post by: defiler on December 11, 2004, 12:43:25 AM
I just tried this today and since a few people would like this feature, here is what I've done.

The comment field of a particular file is capable of accepting html so, use this line <IMG SRC="/pictures/tn/tn_433.jpg"> (example path and filename) as the comment of each picture you wish to display a thumbnail of.  You may have to make HFS aware of the folder where you store the thumbnails, just hide it so users can't access them.

The dow side to this right now is that you have to create the thumbnail images with a seperate program (there are many free ones,  Google it) and then you have to individually edit the comment lines.

I will work on automating it somehow maybe with some suggestions from others.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Rafi on December 11, 2004, 07:35:59 PM
Interesting! I tried using http://127.0.0.1/filename.gif but it did not succeed (the text was showing) ... how do you input the link ?

Anyway - a better way will be changing the icon for a file to this link...may be in the next version we'll be able to have user defined link-icon...
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: defiler on December 11, 2004, 09:40:46 PM
By using this as the comment I did not get the thumbnail to act as the hyperlink <IMG SRC="/pictures/tn/tn_433.jpg">.  Here is another bit of html that will turn the thumbnail into a link to the original image.  <a href="433.jpg">
<img border="0" src="/pictures/tn/tn_433.jpg" width="65" height="38">
</a>
You can even eliminate the thumbnail creation process with this one and use the width and height numbers to display the image smaller than normal.

Of course you must still replace the path I've used for the path where your image is stored.

 :D
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: defiler on December 11, 2004, 09:41:59 PM
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Anyway - a beter way will be changing the icon for a file to this link...may be in the next version we'll be able to have use defined link-icon...

I agree!
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: defiler on December 11, 2004, 10:00:16 PM
I've just discovered that this has an undesireable effect on the hit counter. Every time the page is refreshed the hit counter increments, I guess if you are not really keeping track of it then it's not a big deal.  I may have to go into the template to implement the thumbnails.

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Here is another bit of html that will turn the thumbnail into a link to the original image. <a href="433.jpg">
<img border="0" src="/pictures/tn/tn_433.jpg" width="65" height="38">
</a>
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: rejetto on December 12, 2004, 01:50:02 AM
another problem is that people downloads the big image and then resize.
so if you have many "thumbnails", it takes forever to load, because you have to load all of the big images.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: PhoenixPath on December 21, 2004, 10:59:02 PM
Whee!

The checkmark option is easy.  VERY possible.  But can be SLOW for VERY large files.

Check the files you want, then click "send files to queue"

This would allow you to browse other directories and send other files to the queue as well.

Once all the files are requsted/sent to queue, the user would click "Edit Queue" button.  There, he could deselect files he/she didn't really want.  Also, they could remove files here and then go back and add more.  Once the queue is set to what the user desires, he/she would click the "zip" button.

A new page/tab would open, showing them the zip-progress.  Once it is complete, they can download the zip. Note that there should definately be a limit on zip-file size and on number of files to be zipped to keep it from getting out of hand.  These limits should be configurable based on the hosts PC resources.

This would DEFINATELY require a database of sorts, but I think you may already be considering using one.  

Best way to implement this would be along with a user-database (users could sign up) and perhaps the ability to "plug-in" a forum of some kind.

I have seen this kind of thing used in newsgroup services (Easynews.com) and it works VERY well so long as limits are configurable.

The ability to download multiple files at once would be a HUGE leap for this program.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2004, 11:36:45 PM
Quote from: "PhoenixPath"
The ability to download multiple files at once would be a HUGE leap for this program.
Don't forget that when a person is downloading from you, you are actually uploading to them.  Upload speeds even on a normal broadband connection isn't that great.  So if a user is downloading multiple files at once from your http file server, the download speeds they would be getting is divided into the total upload speed your connection supports.  In otherwords, they would experience slow download speeds from your server.

Don't confuse it with the maximum download speed of your connection - it's the maximum upload speed your connection supports that will determine what kind of download speed your users experience from your http file server.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: PhoenixPath on December 23, 2004, 12:38:28 AM
You can already download multiple files from HFS...  Click a link, choose save as.  Click another, choose save as.....and so on, and so on....until your browser chokes.

Okay....you must have only read the last line.....

By multiple files, I mean multiple files zipped by the host into one.

Go back and re-read, you'll get it.

The suggestion above gives you the ability to set up a queue so that you don't have to "Save As..." for every file you download.  Mark several, tell the server to zip 'em and download the zip.  Quick, easy, and takes the same amount of bandwidth no matter what (actually less, since the files would now be compressed, whereas otherwise they may not have been).


And wow... the explanation of upstream vs. downstream...  

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In otherwords, they would experience slow download speeds from your server.

If  they download multiple files, they'll get them in the same amount of time as they would if they downloaded them one by one.  Your upstream speed does not slow down when uploading multiple files.  Their total downstream from you would remain the same, minus overhead.  The zip suggestion would actually remove some of that overhead.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2004, 02:34:06 AM
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By multiple files, I mean multiple files zipped by the host into one.
I know you can download more than one file at a time with HFS.  I didn't say you couldn't.

So it isn't multiple files.  It's only one file you would be downloading.  Why call them multiple files?  My comment above with regards to speed had to do with the actual downloading of more than one (multiple) files at the same time.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: PhoenixPath on December 25, 2004, 06:41:13 PM
lmao....

Okay...  Because it's multiple files zipped into one file.  I thought I explained that.
Title: Desires for the next version
Post by: Rafi on December 25, 2004, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: "PhoenixPath"
lmao....

Okay...  Because it's multiple files zipped into one file.  I thought I explained that.
you also have to define what to do with the received file(s) - if&how to unzip it. Probably the easiest - is to start with doing nothing , just download it as a zip.