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Software => HTML & templates => HFS ~ HTTP File Server => RAWR-Designs => Topic started by: Karmashock on March 24, 2009, 03:16:47 PM
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Sorry, I'm new to HTTP and only vaguely know how this stuff works. I'm using the Rawr-template-.0.1.1 and would like to integrate Rawrplayer 0.2.1 into the page so that I can view movies and listen to music through the page.
I couldn't find even basic install instructions in the Zip, so I'm wondering if I'm just missing something obvious? Anyway, though fairly clueless, I can take instructions well. So if there's an install guide around or it can be explained without putting any of you to great inconvenience I'd appreciate your help.
EDIT: I tried dumping the rawr player contents into the "template\players" folder but that only seems to screw it up more.
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It's quite a bit more complex than that as is uses also some javascript and minor features in the template file to trigger it, anyways.. if it starts to become to complicated why not try the RAWR Designs templates instead? Also there is a new rawr player coming out soon with more file type compatibility.
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I am using one of the rawr design templates. how do you install the player into the rawr design templates?
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I understand what you are trying to do.
Kremlin is correct, there is small things you have to change everywhere. I have got the new, RAWR-Player-1.0.0, an unreleased final version working in the templates. However I was waiting for our new website to come online to release the new builds. It seems people are getting impatient, and I can understand. Richard keeps stalling with the new website, cause he wants to do it properly, but does not have the time lately. I haven't spoken to him in a few days. I will ask him how he is going with it, I always do ;)
We were aiming for last weekend for an initial launch... but that didn't happen.
As for a full readme, there was a time. But when we decided to update the website to add more features, it all got put on hold. On the upside once the new website goes live and the tutorial section comes online, there will be full tutorials, video and text based, with the ability to comment. Just hang in there, we'll get to it eventually.
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Again, I take instruction well... If it's not too inconvenient, you could throw the correct syntax and placement of code at me. I actually do know quite a bit of programming... just none of it in webpages.
I'm really interested in getting streaming working.
Out of curiosity, does the server do any extra work when it streams or is it entirely handled by the client? Specifically, is the server pushing a program (flash/java) to the client system which is further instructed to open a file on the webserver. Or does the webserver itself have to do some of the decoding? Just curious.
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the server just gives the file that the browser (or the player) requests.
so, no, it doesn't take an active part in it, and doesn't know you are "streaming".
it's just downloading.
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the server just gives the file that the browser (or the player) requests.
so, no, it doesn't take an active part in it, and doesn't know you are "streaming".
it's just downloading.
Good, just making sure. Some streaming solutions require the server to take an active role in decoding which is frequently a burden to say nothing of problematic. So is it entirely flash that does the decoding or does it use codecs stored on the client machine?
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I'm pretty sure the last builds of our templates use the build before the one you are trying to install. It already works for FLV and MP3... just not MP4, MOV, 3GP, M4A etc etc, whatever containers use the MPEG4 H264 codec.
And yes, Flash is what handles the file, HFS just sends the file when Flash requests it.
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This is a really cool idea.
You know, with a little polish this program would be worth a lot of money. A shake and bake web file server with video/audio streaming capability.
It's the sort of thing you might want to pitch to a bigger company in partnership with HFS. I know you're receiving a lot of free community coding help, but I would think all that means is that you have to cut them in for piece of the action.
It would seem elementary to have all sorts of custom addons that could be set to a standard so they could be installed and uninstalled with a simple GUI wrapper. With this, everyone could have their own personal webpage hosted on their own computer with all sorts of specialty features... and no hosting fees.
Obviously that's not ideal for any high traffic site but you can see the use for it on a personal or even small business level. Anyway, I look forward to your next release. You guys are doing great work here.
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a couple of companies bought from me a license to make a commercial product out of HFS.
at the moment for me it is good this way.
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:) Well, I'm going to donate some money to you. It seems like you could do some really interesting things with this program.
Keep up the good work. :)
Edit: your paypal button doesn't work... help me out... I'm trying to give you money :D :P
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thank you for considering donating :)
the button is working for me, so at the moment i don't know how to solve.
my suggestion is that you go on www.paypal.com and send the money to rejetto@rejetto.com
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I get this:
An Error Has Occurred!
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.
It could just be me... I'll see if I can send it the other way.
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Ok, sent you 30 USD. I'm not even sure I'll use this that much in it's current form but I like what you guys are doing with it.
PLEASE develop it more. This thing could be THE internet app. It just needs a little more love and a lot more polish. You need the polish to sell to the personal and small business market that usually doesn't have professional IT staff. You'd be surprised at how low tech many people are and how heavily they rely on overpriced, unreliable, and restricted solutions only because they're simple.
A simple example of this is wedding photos. Recently, I attended a wedding and couple asked everyone to forward their wedding photos to an internet service. Needless to say, the service required everyone to download and install software on their computers just to upload files, the files were restricted in resolution/format, and the end result was that most of the people that wanted to upload photos were either frustrated by the process or simply couldn't get through all the nonsense. And that's just for a simple picture upload/download system.
What you need are a series of plugins based on common website code that can be dynamically added or removed from the page via some kind of GUI loader on the server end. More advanced users will customize the page further, but it would seem that aside from some performance and scalability issues the system has no limits in the depth of features.
Anyway, again love what you're doing here and keep up the good work.
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a huge thank you for your donation and suggestions.
i'm trying to keep all basic things easy, and aim to make it easier.
i have many ideas about it, but some of them takes a lot of time/work, and i can spend only my spare time on it. :(
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It all depends on how you view the project. If it's just a hobby, then sure you can't spend that much time on it. But if it's an investment then that's a different story. Many successful products started out as garage hobbies and eventually became the foundations of billion dollar corporate empires.
I don't know what your legal situation is in regards to the intellectual property, but if you can secure that and finish the project you could make a LOT of money... trophy wives and private islands. There is a real hunger for a good product in this category. Step back and think about millions of people using your product.
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Thanks for donating to rejetto, RAWR-Designs is a seperate entity, we have our own paypal donation to help pay for web hosting and beverages. What RAWR-Designs is trying to do is provide rejetto HFS with the external interface it deserves. We are trying to make it easier for anyone to use HFS effectively. We even have an Admin Panel planned which would achieve your idea of external customisation. We are the people working on the external plugins.
rejetto makes the tools, specifically Macros lately, and we make them easy to use. But we face the same problem as rejetto in that this is a project run in our spare time. Its also the reason why our new website is not online after 3 months since we started building it. Sure it would be up already if we used other peoples code but RAWR-Designs builds everything itself. Might not be time effective but we don't feel like we have accomplished something if we didn't make it ourselves.
The new website would give this community a place to post tutorials, their own templates or projects for HFS and more. The name RAWR-Designs will still be used, but the website will be for our work and the HFS community. We are also working on many projects which would work on any website. But time is the burden these days.
For us this is just a hobby, and I think so for rejetto as well. Sure if we want to get rich we could start charging for things. I hope rejetto does not turn HFS into a shareware, ever, its biggest advantage is that its free and very powerful. Maybe one day in the distant future we can make 2 versions of HFS, a basic version and a super bloated version which would cost like $20 for a lifetime licence. But at this point in time I think its best to steer clear of the get rich quick schemes and enjoy life.
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i don't feel like i can invest on it at the moment.
who knows, maybe in the future :)
in the while, i like it being free (as freedom and as free beer).
and i also enjoy being successful, partly due to its free nature. (140k estimated users as i write)
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TSG, see who just donated :)
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Thanks for donating to rejetto, RAWR-Designs is a seperate entity, we have our own paypal donation to help pay for web hosting and beverages.
;D I'm certainly open to donating to you guys as well... maybe after you release that next update that has the player builtin to the template. ;)
I've switched back to default HFS template because it's easier for me to customize. I got a little confused trying to figure out what was going on inside your template. Not your fault of course... I'm just not very good with HTML. But modularizing your code into plugins is the way forward... keep it up.
What RAWR-Designs is trying to do is provide rejetto HFS with the external interface it deserves. We are trying to make it easier for anyone to use HFS effectively. We even have an Admin Panel planned which would achieve your idea of external customisation. We are the people working on the external plugins.
Well, I think you should work together to make a seamless product. Rejetto can work on the heavy lifting in HFS program to make it as simple and reliable as possible... and you guys can focus on the many templates and plugins needed to make HFS feature rich.
rejetto makes the tools, specifically Macros lately, and we make them easy to use. But we face the same problem as rejetto in that this is a project run in our spare time. Its also the reason why our new website is not online after 3 months since we started building it. Sure it would be up already if we used other peoples code but RAWR-Designs builds everything itself. Might not be time effective but we don't feel like we have accomplished something if we didn't make it ourselves.
Well, if you're making it all yourself that means you also probably own the IP rights to it... so... that keeps your options open.
The new website would give this community a place to post tutorials, their own templates or projects for HFS and more. The name RAWR-Designs will still be used, but the website will be for our work and the HFS community. We are also working on many projects which would work on any website. But time is the burden these days.
Again, it's only a burden if you get nothing back. If you treat it like an investment you can make a better program, do something you enjoy, and make lots of money all in one shot.
You just have to believe in yourself and take it seriously. You have a good product and you have the skills. The only thing holding you guys back is initiative.
For us this is just a hobby, and I think so for rejetto as well. Sure if we want to get rich we could start charging for things. I hope rejetto does not turn HFS into a shareware, ever, its biggest advantage is that its free and very powerful.
There are many different marketing models to consider. I would agree that shareware is one of the worst. A better model would be to have the current version of HFS remain free (I would still recommend upgrading the interface in HFS even on the free version) along with some of your templates as a "loss leader," and then have a "pro" or enhanced edition of HFS along with specialty templates and plugins that are solid individually. For example, the enhanced edition of HFS could accept triggers to execute scripts or executables based on commands given from client systems... and Rawr-design could have templates with database integration.
Understand the suggestion here. I am basically saying everything that is currently free - remains free. But the hard work you're putting off now because you've got bills to pay, happens now because you will get paid.
Everyone wins.
Maybe one day in the distant future we can make 2 versions of HFS, a basic version and a super bloated version which would cost like $20 for a lifetime licence. But at this point in time I think its best to steer clear of the get rich quick schemes and enjoy life.
Well, I'd suggest you proposition a software company you trust with the idea. They might be willing to give you an advance on your payment such that you're comfortable spending time developing this stuff. Further, the license for the pro version could be sold for quite a bit more if you polish and market it properly. You could even set up a sales portal at their site where freelance plugin makers can host their content for sale with the software company taking a percentage of all sales. If I knew you guys better and depending on the direction and marketing model you chose I'd even like to invest in the enterprise.
The important thing here is the concept. I've never seen a simpler way to host such a functional website on a computer ever. It kills me to think you're not profiting from your contributions. I know you're doing it for the love of the work, but you can have both. It's not an either/or proposition.