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Offline rejetto

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 10:30:16 AM »
No, simply, the administrator may wish that the resources remain at a specific location or even are deleted ... but he don't want which are dispatched in a uncontrolled manner into the VFS.

you "don't want" but the user can do it anyway, uncontrolled, just slower.
You are replying but ignoring what i said. You may even be right, but that's how a debate should go on. :P

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 10:33:46 AM »
In #269 ,HFS service will  stop response  when a huge file ,for example 3GB, is downloading. Has this problem been fixed in #270?

please run #267 and see if the problem disappear.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 02:34:01 AM »
you "don't want" but the user can do it anyway, uncontrolled, just slower.
You are replying but ignoring what i said. You may even be right, but that's how a debate should go on. :P

I thought I had responded to your point of view indirectly, through examples, which showed, in my opinion, the potentially bad side effects for the move button in access to all users with permissions to upload and delete.
I know that the user can do it anyway ... but there are cases where, if I can avoid to facilitate his task.

My idea of a group, to my mind, would have allowed to choose more precisely who can do what.
I feel as the only one to see things from that angle ... thus, it was probably a bad idea.
I will try, next time, to be more direct and precise, so that you no longer you felt alone anymore for debate.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 02:36:00 AM by SilentPliz »

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 05:26:01 AM »
Is there a way to implement "move" as part of admin panel, without using ajax?
 
I think it might be useful in that way, but it's not something I'd grant to over 2 users, me being one.
(for that matter, I allow very few to delete)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 05:31:04 AM by r][m »

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 06:54:57 PM »
@r][m
sure it's possible. It's just not a quick work.

@sp
i want to clarify, not just for you. :)
If i debate i don't necessarily disagree with you 100%. I had already considered your suggestion from a superficial description, now we are going in details to see if we find any flaw in one of our point of views.
I sometimes do this even in case i agree with you, just to see if both of us are wrong. :D Not joking it's an important step in designing, considering alternatives. And necessary on any security matter.
It's just apparently a competitive process. Being the goal not "to win" for one of us, but to find (eventually) the best solution (both of us). It's actually cooperation.
This said...
you think a user whom you gave delete and upload permissions may be corrupted (morally) by the "move" button, or just it may tempt him at resorting things at his own taste?

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2010, 09:33:02 AM »
Hi everyone,

Just dropped out of the blue to add my 3 cent piece  :)

I for one would like control over who does what on my server.
My Hardware - My Electricity - My data allowance - MY SAY.
Even if they CAN move stuff any way (a thing i ask you would stop - no i don't know what i ask when i say that)  But just because they COULD, don't mean i want to ENCOURAGE, or make it easy.

To some - i would give delete permission to - but that does not mean i want them messing everything up. they can submit, some have the right to delete. but when a heap of people start to organize things, it's just a pain in the arse. Pardon my Klingon.
I would rather no one could move, change password, or breathe without MY ultimate say so - If its THAT important to them, they can always get their OWN copy of HFS  ;D
(does this amount to a feature request?)

Great work everyone. Keep it up :D - p2p will end up being synonymous with HFS


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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2010, 06:13:44 PM »

Being the goal not "to win" for one of us, but to find (eventually) the best solution (both of us). It's actually cooperation.

That's how I see it also. I never liked wrestling. ;)

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you think a user whom you gave delete and upload permissions may be corrupted (morally) by the "move" button, or just it may tempt him at resorting things at his own taste?

No, I let the corruption -moral or otherwise-, to politicians and other crooks.  :P
It's just problematic when into the VFS, some folders are shared among multiple users, with for all, permissions for upload and delete (and thereby the permission to move items) on these folders... when one or two selected users are allowed to move items, the administrator can follow the story ... if all can do it ... that's an another story!
But there's the same dilemma, some extent, with the "comment" feature ... is this the last user who writes a comment that made the best comment?  ???
That is why treating certain options as "particular options" (via the use of groups), seems more practical than treat them as unavoidable subfeature of, upload, delete, etc. ...

Edit:
I sought for broaden the debate :), if I could find drawbacks with my suggestion, and I found two that we can evaluate as minor or major, depending of points of view:

1 - This will require additional settings to administrators (for include users in the choosed group)
2 - Use a template that includes this group for benefit from the new way to handle this function
     (the "old way" still remains valid with the "old" template)

The fact that we are talking about beta versions, relativize, in my opinion, the "concern" to the second point ... Indeed, changes in templates seem more normal and natural when we refer to these versions.

As for usage security, I think this adds more security rather than to diminish it.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 08:10:08 PM by SilentPliz »

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2010, 04:43:50 PM »
I only habe 2 accounts on the Server right now. Both have full permissions für Access, Upload and Delete. But when i want to move a file, i get "Forbidden" Message.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2010, 04:57:23 PM »
The destination folder must have same permissions for these user accounts.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2010, 05:06:44 PM »
This 2 Users have this Permissions for all Folders.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2010, 05:22:28 PM »
Folders are reals?

Eg:

For move  /folder/my_file.xxx to /folder2/

In the folder named folder, you select  my_file.xxx and enter in the field /folder2


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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2010, 05:29:59 PM »
Yes, folders are Real.

I have a file myfile.xxx in Folder Downloads and want to Move it die Folder Uploads. I mark that File, press the Move Button and in that Window i type /Uploads.
Tried it with Slash and without. Everytime got Forbidden. All Folders are in external Drive D.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2010, 05:36:43 PM »
Can you try to test on a internal partition ... to see if that would not be the cause of problem.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2010, 05:43:14 PM »
Now i tried to move a file from the external HD to the internal HD and it works. So i suppose, that there is a Problem because the external HD ist FAT32. I' ll convert it tomorrow and will try again.
Thanks so far.

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Re: Testing build #270
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2010, 08:00:34 PM »
I doubt that it is caused to the format in FAT32 ... I just did a test on a USB key formated in FAT32 (in addition on a partition encrypted with Truecrypt). That worked fine.
I don't know what can cause this concern.
Tell us when even if reformatting fixes this bug.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2010, 08:17:01 PM by SilentPliz »